tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC December 8, 2015 12:00am-1:01am PST
well in raqqa, syria, where isis has their headquarters. >> thank you so much for joining us and getting that point through. thank you very much, gene and robert and malcolm nance. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in," -- >> something bad is happening. we can't be the stupid ones. >> a night after the president's call for vigilance and tolerance, the republican frontrunner calls for a complete ban on all muslims coming to america. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shut-down of muslims entering the united states. tonight, san bernardino and the politics of fear. >> i don't know if sand can glow in the dark, but we are pea going to find out. more resignations and dash-cam video. now the feds are going to
investigate the chicago police. >> this is bigger than one incident. as the paris summit continues. bernie sanders on why climate change is the biggest threat facing us all. >> let me be clear about this. i see this as the major planetary environmental crisis that we face. >> "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i am chris hayes, the day after president obama called on the nation to rise above fear and resist the urge to discriminate in the wake of recent terrorist attacks, the republican presidential frontrunner is now demanding that an entire religious group be barred from entering this country, according to an official statement from his campaign donald trump is calling for a total and complete shut-down of muslims from entering the u.s. until our country's representatives can figure out what's going on. the candidate discussed his new proposal moments ago including
reading the statement aloud at a rally in south carolina on board an aircraft carrier. >> what's happened is we're a out of control. we have no idea who is coming into our country. we have no idea if they love us or if they hate us. we have no idea if they want to bomb us. we have no idea what's going
on. by the way, i have friends that are muslims. they're great people. but they know we have a problem. they know we have a real problem. donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shut-down of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. [ cheers and applause ] we have no choice. we have no choice. >> the last line got a standing ovation, by the way. speaking to a prescheduled event in the muslim security. homeland security secretary jeh johnson called on americans not allow them to change how they
treat fellow citizens. >> in responding to this new environment, we must not vilify american muslims. we must not throw a net of suspicion over american muslims and an entire religion. we must not force american muslims to run and hide and retreat to the shadows. >> some of donald trump's republican presidential rivals quick to condemn his proposals.
lindsey graham, donald trump has gone from making absurd comments to being downright dangerous with his rhetoric. john kasich, this is more of the outrageous divisiveness that characterizes his every breath. chris christie, the radio host michael med visit. this is the kind of thing people say when they have no experience and don't know what they're talking about. ben carson.
he said everyone visiting our country should register, be monitored during their stay as is done in many countries. ted cruz has been making a play for trump supporters and is beating him in a new iowa poll that just came out today, declined to condemn the proposal altogether. >> well, that is not my policy. i have introduced legislation in the senate that would put in place a three-year moratorium on refugees coming from countries where isis or al qaeda control a substantial amount of territory. >> joining me now, michael steele and sam. michael, i'll begin with you. your thoughts. >> why? >> you knew it was coming to you, buddy. >> i did. i did. yeah. no. they call rand paul an isolationist. that's the great irony here. i have never heard of anything that's so antithetical to our constitution.
but not -- not just the constitution. that's words on papers. to the intrinsic values of this nation. the other republican candidates, though i appreciate their condemning it, they have to figure out how to pull this conversation away from the ledge on which it now finds itself. i don't understand -- i get the fear and the frustration that a lot of americans have and feel. i thought the president's milk-toast speech last night was just that. it didn't do very much to alleviate that fear. he started talking about things that people really aren't focused on and concerned about like gun control and being nice to your neighbor. they get that. and inherently, chris. they want to see, okay, how are you going to protect me from someone blowing me up in a theater or i'm sitting at a caèe or at a starbucks. that's where their intrinsic concerns are.
donald trump is unfortunately playing into that in a way that i think is somewhat dangerous. >> sam, i want to get your response to that. two things. one, when i am fearful, i find a little bit of milk and a little bit of toast calms me right down. second of all -- >> but they're not good together. >> second of all, i will say that, you know, this idea about the sort of what the american populus wants right now -- part of the issue here is the other candidates have opened the door that donald trump is walking through. i just -- just so that we're clear, it was just a few days ago that a lot of candidates, not just donald trump, including jeb bush, the establishment moderate, was proposing a religious test for refugees. if the logic is, muslims are too dangerous to let in as refugees, well, then why should -- why stop at refugees? this is a logical extension of something that marco rubio, jeb bush and a whole bunch of people were saying. >> it's not just limited to the immigration policies. when marco rubio goes out and says we're in a war of civilizations.
if we are in a war of civilizations, donald trump's plan, if people are as afraid as michael is of getting blown up in a starbucks, then donald trump's plan makes sense. maybe we should stop all immigration completely. if we're in a war of civilizations. what donald trump was saying is obviously repugnant and antithetical to american values, and it -- the groundwork for that has been laid by years of republican rhetoric, including even the premise that people -- >> that's not just. that's just not true. >> hold on a second, michael. the premise that people need to be worried about being blown up in a starbucks. the fact of the matter is what took place in san bernardino was different from what happened in sandy hook only insofar as this were little kids who weren't killed and more kids were killed in connecticut when that attack was. these people couldn't do anything more than buy guns illegally and go out and use them and shoot them in a random killing.
their motivation may have been somewhat ideological but we'll never know. the fact is they don't have the ability to do something like what we saw in paris -- >> not yet. we don't know. >> you don't know that. you don't know what the other half of the plan was. >> we'll see in 16 years out from 2001. the fact of the matter -- >> this is what donald trump is feeding on. if you go to legitimize that type of fear, donald trump's solutions would make sense. >> sam, it's not a question of whether i want to or you want to legitimize it. this is what people are feeling. do you spend any time talking to people in the real world? >> of course i do, michael. i do every single day. >> have you not heard this fear from average people? why are you admonishing regular people. why are you diminishing it? why is it foreign to you to think people actually feel that?
>> let me -- we don't know who is coming into this country? we going to stop muslims coming from syria because of -- refugees? i'm sorry. that plays into an irrational fear. >> i am not condoning that policy, if you want to call it that, from donald trump. what i am saying is, the second point. the george bush, during his administration, made is clear that this was the space that he did not want the country to go into. this was something that republicans emphasized a great deal during the war on terror. we went running around saying these kinds of things. don't sit there and paint this broad brush -- >> let me say this. >> reduce -- one last point. reducing this to the partisan political b.s. is part of the problem. >> solve the problem. >> this is the question. part of the issue here is sam's contention is that, when you --
when you talk about how scary -- first of all, there is a question about are americans scared independent from how politicians and the media talk about the threat. i don't think you could divide those two, right? clearly we spend a lot of time talking about the threat. clearly it is terrifying to consider going to a holiday party and find yourself shot and killed by someone engaged in what seems like completely evil massacre out of the blue. totally random. same thing for the people sitting in the cafè, right? anything like that is a horrible thing to contemplate. it happens a lot more in the middle east than it happens here, we should note. >> or if you're going to everyday iraq, you're 5 years old and you're going to school. >> the question is, does the sort of talk about the fear -- michael, your point there about -- to me, gets at something i kept hearing about the speech last night and connects to the donald trump thing. the question is, do you want leaders to speak to that fear? do you want them to say it's okay to feel afraid but i'm going to make you not feel afraid. do you want to stoke that? listen to one of the things that
barack obama said last night that's gotten a lot of criticism when he's talking about a responsibility to muslims around the world. listen to this. >> just as it is the responsibility of muslims around the world to root out misguided ideas that lead to radicalization. it is the responsibility of all americans to reject discrimination. it is our responsibility to reject religious tests on who we admit into this country. it's our responsibility to reject proposals that muslim-americans should somehow be treated differently. >> let me just say this, michael. i want to play this for you. this is cruz and rubio responding to that portion of the speech last night. >> we don't need a president who goes on national television and lectures the american people like a schoolmarm. the problem we have is a president, commander in chief, who refuses to recognize our enemy. our enemy is radical islamic terrorism.
>> the cynicism tonight, to spend a significant amount of time talking about discrimination against muslims. where is the widespread evidence that we have a problem in america with discrimination against muslims. >> in rubio's defense he said this before the person who is whooping him in the polls recommend we stop all muslims coming into the country. but that was -- mike -- i guess, michael, my question is what -- the emphasis on the rhetoric here, the president isn't -- i understand the critique that he's not taking threat seriously enough but the insistence that he has to use the right words seems to play into donald trump's hands. >> it does, chris. it goes to the sense that -- you framed it, i think, absolutely correctly, the right words. when you're president and you're in that situation, the expectation -- maybe it's a false one by the american people -- is that that comes to you naturally. in moments like this, you have a way to find the words that help us understand not just the policy but what we can expect,
how we should feel. i mean, how we should think and react and respond. i think in a real sense that's what the blow-back, the feedback, taking aside the partisan rhetoric, was all about. >> the other side of that, of course, which is just speaking to people's id, is what you get when you get donald trump. >> of course. i think michael is right. the president should put this threat in perspective, let us know what we should do, what's best to maintain american values. look, i'm not going to let george bush off the hook either. he was pretty good did not demonizing american-muslims. he did gin up enough fear into people that we went and attacked a country that did nothing to us on 9/11. >> michael steele and sam, thank you. the continued reverberations from the laquan mcdonald video, now a d.o.j. investigation. a third top official steps down.
muslim-americans are our friends and our neighbors. our co-workers, our sports heroes. and yes, they are our men and women in uniform. >> amid donald trump's tweet storm last night responding to president's oval office address he specifically referred to the line about muslim-americans being sports heroes. trump wrote obama said in his speech muslims are sports heroes. what sport is he talking about and who? perhaps trump doesn't know every sports hero in american history. he was hard pressed to think of an example. he could have chosen kareem abdul-jabbar. to whom he sent a handwritten note.
or he could have brought up muslim boxing champion mike tyson who hired trump as an advisor in the late '80s and endorsed trump for president this year. the other boxing legend who trump couldn't recall. muhammad ali who converted to muslim. now coming up the dangerous implication of donald trump's rhetoric and policies regarding muslims. that's next.
figure out what the hell is going on. [ cheers and applause ] >> we have no choice. we have no choice. >> joining me now from the site of donald trump's rally in south carolina is nbc news correspondent katy tur. katy, i think i have an idea of how this proposal played in that room, but you were actually there. how did it play in that room? >> reporter: it certainly played really well. you could see in the video that we were playing on msnbc live that he got a standing ovation when he introduced the idea of a ban. they say this is a wise move. that it would be a slap in the face to his friends and supporters to w who died on the battlefield in afghanistan and iraq. they like this. part of the reason is a lot of them say they are scared.
they are scared of terror. in our
latest msnbc news polling, 60% of them say their biggest concern is being a victim of terror. they see donald trump as somebody who is black and white about the issues. somebody who says he's going to bomb the hell out of isis and bring back waterboarding. and fix things. they don't want shades of gray. they don't want diplomacy. they want somebody who is strong in what they say has been weakness in the fight against terror. according to them the weakness is coming directly from president obama. people certainly do overuse the trope of playing into the hands of isis, what donald trump has called for, a total and complete shut-down of muslims entering the u.s., seems like the genuine article. his position will make headlines worldwide just as his stance on mexican immigrants became a focal point in mexico. joining me now, msnbc foreign
correspondent ayman mohyeldin. ayman, as someone who spent a lot of time in the middle east and in different parts of the muslim world looking at how what the u.s. does reverberates there, will this get play? >> it will in some circles. i don't think on the official level it will -- a lot of the governments will not pay a lot of attention to it. i don't think you'll hear a lot of commentary in terms of official response. i don't think that a lot of the governments who know the responsibility of a u.s. president and knows what they can implement in terms of serious policy is taking a measure like this seriously. i think they're putting it in the context of this is a person who is running for office. he needs to win. he is trying to mobilize and galvanize his base in whatever way, play to their fears. i don't think any serious official in the middle east will look at it. now, other groups, isis, extremists, even individuals and popular people in the middle east --
>> media outlets too. >> a hundred percent. opinion writers. a lot of people will say this is what america is exactly doing to muslims. >> the real face has been revealed, right? >> right. >> as opposed to this is an outlier. >> in a nutshell they're going to say this is the america that is at war with islam and this is exactly what they're going to want their followers and supporters to look at the u.s. as, a country leading the war against the religion of islam, against muslims around the world, treating them differently, preventing them from coming to the u.s. and to feed their own base and their own ideology for whatever agendas they have. >> some said what about american citizens or american service men and women who are muslim? it was unclear whether they could come back or not. >> or journalists. >> this is clearly not particularly well thought out. it's pretty scary stuff. >> i mean, you're watching the face of an american fascist right now.
we're allowing his rhetoric -- where is the chairman of the republican party? where are all the people dissociating themselves from his rhetoric? this is absolutely scary. let's not act like we don't know our history, that we've never went into this direction. do i know he can't implement these policies. i know better. he talks about what he would do to the muslims who are here. a muslim registration base. >> people defended and said, it was a reporter that proposed that and he was going along -- i remember that. we had a long thing litigating this. >> this is not just about trump. what scares me more is the actual people who support them. the cheering in the room, the thousands who show up to the rallies. i'm not seeing the alternative. where is the silent majority in the country saying absolutely not on our watch. >> the "times" wrote a piece about different ways in which
the san bernardino attacks reverberated through different muslim-americans. stripes and walks. one refers to it as a sort of nightmare. you have these folks who seem unremarkable in every way. then they do this. what is it about -- i mean, what is your reaction to what happened last week and how that is sort of working hand in glove with all the stuff that stoked before it happened. >> what happened in san bernardino is outrageous. the muslim community is outraged like we would be outraged about any shooting of innocent people. the framework that we're working from when he only mentions fort hood, san bernardino and chattanooga, which are all shootings committed by muslims and not mentioning the other shootings committed by other extremists and others. it makes it seem like mass shooting is only a muslim problem.
who is rooting out extremism in other communities? he didn't call on us as a country to stand together against all forms of extremism. i am tired of this idea that extremism can only mean muslims or islam or people who are associated with islam. extremism comes in all forms and we have seen that, why is it that we're only obsessed with islam and muslim communities? that we've never cooperated with law enforcement. >> ayman, let me ask you this. you cover parts of the world in which -- we see new polling about how people are scared about terrorism. i understand that. you cover parts of the world where -- there were periods in iraq where it was a blood bath. during the height of the worst part of the sectarian civil war. how do the politics in those places respond to it? does it look like what's happening here with this kind of very intense fear-based rhetoric?
>> i think in some of of the recent developments in countries like egypt you see similarities. they've shifted to the right in terms of its crack-down on terrorism and insurgency. it's cracking down on civil rights and journalists. there is an over compensation by the state to bring law and order. none of the arab countries are democratic, pluralistic. none are founded on the ideals of tolerance and fundamentalism. we should not be looking at countries in the arab world and say they're fighting terrorism and this is how we want to do it. from israel down one by one. their experiences are unique. the metric in terms of the climates are very different. the arab world has, without a doubt, suffered from terrorism for many years. for many decades.
all kinds of terrorism. and as we were just hearing, the guest before made the point in the segment before, muslims are being killed by terrorist groups more than anybody else. more than any westerners. they are dealing with this, living on the front lines global terrorism. i would say that is the front line. >> thank you both. really appreciate it. still to come, the head-snapping press conference from mayor rahm emanuel today. how he responded to a wide-ranging department of justice investigation into the police department. that's ahead.
as hysteria in certain corridors grows over immigration from certain groups. a promising development in texas. today 12 syrian refugees as scheduled arrived in texas. after the state's attorney general withdrew a request for a temporary restraining order to stop their resettlement in that state. no pictures or videos were released to the media which is probably the best. six are children. all 12 refugees were expected to join family members already settled in dallas and houston. one family was expected to take a low-housing income apartment in northeast dallas and volunteers had already collected furniture and necessities for the apartment, even two bicycles for the children. texas governor greg abbott joined 30 other states after the attacks in paris saying they did not want to take more syrian refugees. texas had taken about 250 prior to the attacks and 250 more were scheduled to be resettled there. the attorney general ken paxton
claims in a statement the request for a temporary restraining order was dropped. the underlying lawsuit against the federal government and the resettlement agency continues. that drew this response from the agency. the international refuge committee worked in connection with texas officials for 40 years to the benefit of refugees and the communities we serve. refugees are victims of terror, not terrorists. the families have always been welcome by texas. tomorrow presidential candidate ted cruz senator of texas is holding a press conference to discuss a bill he introduced last month entitled "the terrorist refugee infiltration prevention act." the department of justice announced a special investigation into chicago's police department. we welcome it.
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and chicago as a city will be better for it. we accept it. and we need it. as i mentioned this morning over at the police department to the leadership, that we will welcome this investigation. we're going to cooperate with it. and it's in our long-term interest. >> chicago mayor rahm emanuel announced earlier today that he now welcomes the wide-ranging justice department investigation into the patterns and practices of the chicago police department. attorney general loretta lynch announced the probe will look into whether chicago police engaged in constitutional violations and whether there has been a pattern of abuse. all this in the wake of a brewing scandal in chicago now threatening to consume the mayor himself. november 24th, the chicago police department released dash-cam video showing the fatal shooting of laquan mcdonald by jason van dyke. a week later rahm emanuel fired his top cop saying, quote, the undeniable fact the public trust in the leadership department has been shaken and eroded.
last friday we got a look at hundreds of pages from police reports from laquan mcdonald's shooting, reports that appear to differ dramatically from what's seen on the video. the video showed van dyke shooting mcdonald 16 times. van dyke has since been charged with first degree murder. van dyke says he'll fight the charge and is the subject of a separate criminal investigation by u.s. attorney in the civil rights division also looking at a coverup by other officers. yesterday a man named scott ando resigned effective immediately. that's the agency responsible for looking at allegations of misconduct made by members of the chicago police department. today the chicago police department's chief of detectives retired from his post. that's three down. after all of this, today the cook county state's attorney released dash-cam video of another fatal shooting that
happened over a year ago as well and eight days before mcdonald was fatally shot. that shows officer george hernandez shooting a man named ronald johnson. right now there are protesters on the streets of chicago demonstrating against johnson's death. the state's attorney decided against charging hernandez saying johnson resisted arrest and the video shows him wielding what prosecutors say appeared to be a gun. >> she relied on the ipra investigation when 12 to 14 hours ago the head of ipra resigned and/or was fired because of a shoddy investigations that ipra does. this is a joke. the blind leading the blind. >> the two high-profile police shootings and the rash of staff shakeups, they're playing defense on multiple fronts. five days ago emanuel proposed a
broader investigation. now he appears to have reversed course. the question is what's the next shoe to drop. joining me now, professor at chicago law school and wesley lowry, national reporter for the "washington post"s. i lived in chicago. i have never seen anything like what we've seen in the last week. what is your reaction to what has happened? >> chris, it gives me hope. as these issues in chicago, as you know, these aren't anything new. police abuse has been a long-standing problem. it didn't start with this administration. it didn't start with the superintendent. so many scandals. and we've lived through over the years. and we often hear just the same things after each scandal. hey, let's form another
commission. some heads roll. but nobody up to this point has had the political courage to address the underlying issues that have allowed a minority of police officers to abuse the most vulnerable among us with impunity. the feds coming in now really provides an opportunity for some hope. not a panacea but hope if we can work together toward reform. something i haven't seen in my lifetime in chicago. >> wesley, you have been reporting on police issues for well over the last two years. my question is what's the significance of a d.o.j. patterns and practices probe? what does it mean for chicago? >> well, it's -- it's much broader than a civil rights probe. when d.o.j. comes in and says, we're going to investigate the laquan mcdonald shooting or when they went into ferguson to investigate the michael brown shooting, right, that's a specific probe that looks at the circumstances of one shooting, one interaction and it's a very high bar, a high standard to prove that the officer in ferguson may have committed a
civil rights violation. and we didn't see that. in a broad patterns and practices probe, the department of justice is looking at all of the policies, all of the implementation by the department to see if there is any constitutional violation. so they're looking at traffic stops, neighborhoods where police presence exist. they're looking at how people are booked. if they're pulling two suspects over for the same crime, how often are they arresting these people based on race, based on age. they're looking for any type of systemic discrimination. what we've seen often is they often find this type of discrimination and it leads to broad, swooping reforms in these departments. >> craig, there are two issues here, right? there is the issue about the system in chicago, police oversight, whether ipra is the kind of policing the police actually works. you know, we have covered on this show pretty credible allegations by former investigators who said, you know, that they were pushed to not find disciplinary cause. but there is also this -- the continued question of the laquan mcdonald shooting.
rahm emanuel got up there today and people said, wait a second. your own chicago police department with a sign off the man -- the interim superintendent signed a report in march saying this shooting we've all now seen the video of did not violate department policy. >> that's exactly right, chris. what you just talked about a second ago is one of the deepest issues in chicago long before emanuel, which is the code of silence. what happened -- the shooting. i mean, let's call it what it was. it was an execution. what happened after the execution to me is even more interesting. what happened after the execution is what goes on each and every day in chicago. so when there is a police shooting, when there is a charge of pole brutality, there is a circle the wagons mentality that goes not just at the bottom but goes all the way up to the top. the culture. what did we see immediately after? officers in the beginning before the shooting who were doing the right thing.
and suddenly after the shooting, first thing they start doing is you've got to shoo away witnesses. everybody knows about the burger king video coverup now. witnesses are intimidated. most importantly, then these lies. official lies. even though we have a video that shows exactly what occurred. every officer on the scene said one of two things. either you back up the officer and you tell the exact same lie which is basically this kid came at the officer with a knife, and just didn't happen. number two -- then number two, and this is -- this is just as telling, is then, or you say i didn't see anything. i mean, so the officer who was sitting in the car that recorded this whole incident, she said, oh, i just looked down during the entire shooting. maybe for a second. >> right. >> when you unload 16 shots? so that's the real systemic issue that this is talking about the code of silence and something that this administration -- >> that applies in the ronald
johnson video which i want to briefly play. there is a distinction whether the shooting is justified is distinct from whether or not it was accurately reported in time. while this case seems more complicated from the fact perspective than laquan mcdonald. what sticks out in the ronald johnson video is it doesn't seem to necessarily match what police said. >> of course. i think that's a really important distinction to make, right, chris? what we know from covering these over and over again is that there is a lot of legal gray area and that in reality many -- most of police shootings. most fatal police shootings occur within the allowance of the law. they're legally justified. that's not to say that i think these are shootings that should occur or most normal people think so. in terms of the legal latitude that we give police officers most police shootings are legally justified. the second question is, in the aftermath of the shooting, what did the police say happened, what were the statements they
issued to the press, what were their -- you know, what did they say happened. and what we see in this video is that they said one thing and the video seems to show something else. and that erodes the trust. >> that's the bedrock question here. thank you both. still ahead my interview with bernie sanders on fighting what he calls a grave threat to global security. stay with us. okay! fun's over. aw. aw. ♪ thirsty? they said it would make me cool. they don't sound cool to me. guess not. you got to stick up for yourself, like with the name your price tool. people tell us their budget, not the other way around. aren't you lactose intolerant? this isn't lactose. it's milk. ♪
the first time i went for an mri of my brain, the four places were still there but were responding to the treatment. when i went this week, they didn't find any cancer at all. so i had good news. >> that was president jimmy carter yesterday announcing he is cancer free while speaking at a sunday school class he teaches in georgia. the surprising development comes four months after he first announced his illness saying he had melanoma that had spread to his brain. doctors cautioned this does not mean carter has been cured as
tonight the clock is ticking for negotiators racing to make a deal in paris at the climate summit that will, simply put, decide whether or not the international community actually alters the current trajectory of the world away from total climate catastrophe something even ex xon is predicting will happen. they have five days to come up with the framework for such a deal. all this week we'll be taking an in-depth look at the climate talks which are supposed to wrap up in paris on friday. the world leaders for the most part has been overshadowed by some big traumatic event. on the eve of the negotiations 130 people massacred at deadly attacks in paris.
last week 14 people shot to death in san bernardino, california. it's fair to say the climate talks are not front of mind for american voters or the media at the moment. that's precisely what makes climate change such an insidious threat to the planet's health and security. the danger is not as instantly and viscerally horrifying as a terrorist attack. that's why when the president referred to it as an immediate threat to our national security he was largely met with ridicule from the right. >> obama is in germany to meet with world leaders for the g-7 summit to target one of the biggest threats facing the world today. climate change. people are more concerned in the state department with climate change, with global warming, instead of children that are being executed. >> he says climate change is number one, which is why putin and iran and north korea love him because, while they're
dismantling the world he is playing hackie sack with bill nye the science guy. >> now president obama isn't the only one arguing climate change is a threat to future generations. today bernie sanders released a climate plan that reiterated a point he's made more forcefully before, that climate change is the greatest threat to our national security. >> in the previous debate you said the greatest threat to national security is climate change. do you still believe that? >> absolutely. it's directly related to the growth of terrorism. if we do not get our act together you'll see countries all over the world -- this is what the cia says, they'll struggle over limited amounts of water and land to grow crops. you'll see all kinds of international conflict. >> the senator from vermont's position, not surprisingly generated a less than kind response from many on the right. >> climate. >> he is brilliant, that guy. al baghdadi will be sawing bernie sanders' head off and he'll saying, if only we had had
many people, look slightly daffy. >> i think isis -- they don't care what republicans say about syrian refugees. they're like laughing at bernie sanders for saying climate change is the biggest threat. it's crazy. >> from our center, bernie sanders has repeatedly asserted that climate change is the greatest threat to national security of this country. for that position he has been mocked by many conservatives. i asked him to respond to the critics who call him out of touch with his position. >> obviously isis is an immediate threat. we need to have an international coalition to destroy isis. i believe that the boots on the ground have got to be the muslim nations and i agree with king abdullah of jordan who made that very point. but not to understand what the scientists are telling us, that if we do not transform our energy system away from fossil fuel, you're going to see the mass migrations of tens and tens of millions of people who are
going to be moving away from coastal areas, who are going to be dealing with floods, who are going to be dealing with drought, who are going to be dealing with extreme weather disturbances, who are not going to be able to get fish from the oceans because of the acidification of the oceans. not to understand that that will cause massive instability in this world and more conflict is not to understand reality. that's what the cia says. that's what the u.s. department of defense says. that's what governors all over the world point out. i believe that we have got to be extremely aggressive, leading the world, in understanding that we have a planetary crisis. and we have got to bring the world together if we're going to leave this planet in a habitable way for our children and grandchildren. >> the paris talks are happening right now and on precisely this question. in the past in copenhagen, for example, where i believe the last round of talks were, people have criticized the u.s. and the
role its played. they have said the u.s. even under the administration of barack obama who obviously accepts the science on climate change has negotiated the agreement with china, that it's played a destructive role, that it has watered things down? do you agree with this? are you confident that this administration is playing the leadership role you'd like to see it make? >> compared to my republican colleagues, who unbelievably refuse to accept the science, refuse to do nothing to transform our energy system, our very dependent on the koch brothers and the fossil fuel industry for their campaign funding. obviously the president is doing a very good job compared to them. should he be doing more? yes, i think so. let me be clear. i see this as the major planetary environmental crisis that we face. and if you read what the scientists are telling us, what
they are saying is there is a very short window of opportunity in order to prevent the temperature of this planet from rising 5 to 10 degrees fahrenheit by the end of the century. that is preposterous. this will bring about impacts for billions of people. while my republican colleagues may not accept the science, i think the vast majority of the people who have studied this issue suggest that we are in an urgent moment and that we have to be absolutely aggressive. we have to look at this as if we are fighting a war. we are fighting a war. the war is against climate change, and our goal is to save the planet for our kids and grandchildren. i think we've got to put all the resources that we can in cutting carbon, i believe strongly in a tax on carbon, moving aggressively to solar, wind, geothermal, other sustainable energies, putting money in
research and velocity. -- and development. the other countries increasingly understand the crisis as well. i see this as a major, major issue. we have to be more aggressive than we've ever been. >> senator bernie sanders, candidate for president in the democratic party. thank you very much. >> thank you, chris. that is "all in" for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts right now. thank you for coordinating your tie. >> nailed it. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. so the attacks in paris took place on a friday, friday, november 13th. the following monday, which is three weeks ago today, the leading candidate for the republican nomination for president was asked what kind of public policy strategies he would pursue if he is elected president in order to try to protect this country from the kind of terrorist attack that had just unfolded in pris. that candidate, donald trump,